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“Blogodidact used Hitler as an example of an enlightened scientist. ”

Wo! Wha..? I was reading along, disagreeing with much and enjoying every bit of it, but that brought me up short.

Never, repeat never have I, or would I, compare Hitler or his followers with Enlightened Scientists.

Enlightened Scientists I take to mean in particular those exemplifying what became the Enlightenment (English branch, though not limited to Englishmen) ranging from Bacon through Newton, continuing strong through the 1700′s, until finally sputtering out into the early to mid 1800′s, and I would consider it the deepest scarilege to equate those two groups.

There’s only one place where I mention Hitler in the post, and that is in reference to ‘scientifismic’ which is a term I used to mean a faux-science mockery of Enlightenment Science, and I used it there in reference to the posturings which were tools for tyrants like Hitler (eugenics which led to death camps, etc) and Stalin (communist biology and other idiocies that led to the death of millions in famine), and the like. These are people who have conclusions preconceived and pluck facts to adorn them – as with the manmade global warming crowd, they are not scientists, and they are certainly not enlightened.

I take the scientifismic train of ‘thought’ to be that which followed after Descartes (who I think made innocent errors) and Rousseau (who I find to be among the filthiest ‘thinkers’ ever), picking up steam with Kant, Hegel, Wundt, Marx, etc, etc, etc.

I consider the Enlightenment proper, as the high point in human civilization, culminating in the the high point of political thought with the Founding Fathers, and those who were true to it, Scientists or Statesmen, Philosophers or Musicians, Men and Women of Letters, they were Exemplers of capital ‘R’ Reason (atheists or deists or whathaveyou) and among those I admire most in history.

Sigh, afraid I’ve not finished yet, but must get to bed now, but I will be back.

Blogodidact said in December 11th, 2007 at 7:18 am

As Helios locomote the heavens, the sun sets in one place and rises in another. Alas, that we are born so many circumventions since the fall of Babel! Though I was intentionally sarcastic in my remark about Hitler’s love for science, the remark rested on a misapprehension on my part of the meaning you put in ’scientifismic’. I took it to mean a naïve acceptance of scientific data and a blind faith in a rational Vulcan utopia. I, like you, conceive of the Nazi and communist relation to science as analogous to that displayed by our creationist friends. Not a search for, or even an interest in, the truth but a biased cherry-picking among the vast expanses of human knowledge and a dogmatic attitude to what is to be regarded as truth.

Given that we give ’scientifismic’ that definition it is a synonym to my use of the word religion, i.e. a fixed set of ideas that directs what is accepted as truth, not based on evidence, but on congruence with dogma. It is as in the historical case of Galileo or present day creationism and (some but not all) environmentalism. A) Only facts that affirm my belief is true B) Contrary evidence is either silenced to death or persecuted.

This antithetical relationship between science proper and scientifismic/religion is by the way one of the lead themes in the trilogy His Dark Materials.

Allotetraploid said in December 11th, 2007 at 9:01 am
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